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brian h
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: What do you think these Bible verses contradicting the once saved always saved phylosophy mean? Reply with quote

Can Someone Lose Their Salvation?If you prayed and asked Jesus into your heart, was there ever a point where He might leave you? What if you decided to leave him? Questions Keith and Melody Green had as new believers.Do you have these same questions? The real question should be “can someone lose their faith”?These Bible Verses Have The True Answer!Revelations 3:15-16 “…I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.1 Timothy 4:1 …the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith…Hebrews 10:38 …the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.1 Timothy 1:19 …which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck,1Timothy 6:10 …some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.But…Luke 22:32 I (Jesus) have prayed for you, that your faith should not failMatthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’John 15:1-8 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. Romans 11:21-22 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Hebrew 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away,\to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”Matthew 12:43-45 “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.”Hebrews 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” Therefore, don’t abandon your faith in Jesus Christ1Peter 1:8-9 …yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith— the salvation of your souls.These Bible verses were compiled from the New King James Version by Brian & Jon Hanna Truth Ministries, PO Box 25096, Cleveland, OH 44125 www.ConnectionMagazine.org, email: jon@connectionmagazine.orgOur purpose is to rightly divide the word of the One True Almighty God/Father/Savior Jesus Christ who's word is found in the Holy Bible; To provoke you to read His Word thoroughly; To encourage you to seek Him diligently in prayer, and to help you develop a strong relationship with Him.Please email corrections or comments to editor@connectionmagazine.org. We appreciate your help.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't agree with "once saved always saved"....
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Karenita EWTN
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they also contradict Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone)
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Old Timer Too
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A gave you a star because I'm interested in what the responses will be. Personally, I've always believed that the game is not over until . . . . . . final judgment. (Sorry, opera fans).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus said "I will never leave you or forsake you" however, it is possible to believe you are saved and in reality you are not.Proverbs 16:25There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
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Golah ye sorkh
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You forgot the 'he who endures until the end shall be saved' -Matthew 10:22.
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BK
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You put way too much there... but it is, and has been, a hot-button topic with good arguments on both sides... Lots of the scriptures above do not say you lose your salavtion, even though other things are lost.I used to think you could lose it, I no longer do.Why? We did a Bible study on Samson (read that story). Samson did everything, made every decision to turn from God, he suffered consequences but God restored him.And the scripture "nothing shall separate us from the love of God" is exactly that. You can argue that God loves us even if we are unsaved, but the God I know isn't like that. Once you come to him, he never lets go, that's how he is and he doesn't change.
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Uncle Bud
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Once Saved, Always Saved" doctrine can lead one to believe it is okay to sin after conversion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Scriptures DO NOT support "Once saved always saved." That was a very recent idea (less than a hundred years). The historic Church has never made such a claim. Paul is very clear that salvation can be forfeited. We are to pick up our crosses daily, not just once. We are to trust in Jesus daily, not just once. We are to finish the race just like a person entering a marathon.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any problem with encouraging fellow Christians to seek him diligently in prayer. But to create a fear of losing salvation when to do so is really a denial of the power of God in keeping his own in the palm of his hand, is disturbing to say the least. This puts a faith in oneself rather than looking to God alone for our salvation, and using these "proof texts" to instill fear rather than comfort, speaks to exactly what the Arminian mindset is -- a desire for man to have control in spite of its logical conclusions.
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Full Armor of God
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can a Believer "Lose" His Salvation?Or Stated More Accurately, Can He Forfeit It?"Has God indeed said...Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away."? (Luke 8:13)the scripture clearly teaches BOTH the sovereignty of God AND the free will of men. To deny this is irrational, and must be caused by something other than reason based on scriptural precepts.The scriptural position is that a person who is saved can forfeit that salvation. The bible teaches those at highest risk of forfeiting their salvation are those who are newly saved, and those who continue on in known disobedience, after being born again.The elect are those whom God chose, whom God foresaw would both trust in His Son AND who would endure or persevere in the faith given them until the end of their physical life, or the return of Jesus.Those whose hearts are seeking the Lord with all that is in them, should have no concern about "losing" their salvation. Nor should they have any concern about forfeiting their salvation. Salvation cannot be lost, but it can be forfeited - this is the nature of covenants in the bible. The bible no where guarantee's someone that salvation once received cannot be turned away from or forfeited by the individual that possesses it.Receiving salvation involves man's will, and not works. Forfeiting salvation involves man's will, and not works. In the same way the Lord did not force His salvation on anyone, He neither forces anyone to remain in the covenant.
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