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John D
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Do you think woman's equality is a joke?

I don't think men will ever see women as their equal especially since men do all the asking in relationships, all the paying for dinners, buy all the gifts (no 50/50 exists). This is why women will always be viewed as children in relationships needing a big strong man to wine and dine them a.k.a feed them.(although they should be wining and dining each other). I don't think workplace equality can be achieved if societal equality isn't? What do you think? I think women in Scandinavian countries, Germany, Belgium can be considered equals. North America no?I believe its okay for a guy to pay for a first date. BUt after that its alternated. Whether a guy pays doesn't show his intentions. If he pays he probably wants to get laid as quickly as possible.

Elvis O
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:42 am Post subject:

Yes i totally agree with you on this one.

FromtheHeart
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:47 am Post subject:

Women's Lib really ruined it... and created a lot of misogynists and disgruntled women unfortunately. Men and women are equals in value and dignity, but we are different from each other in many ways. There is nothing wrong with wining and dining us in the beginning of a relationship; this tells us that you think we are worth your time and investment, and not just looking for a booty call. After the relationship progresses, there is nothing wrong with going dutch, and as you said, "wining and dining each other."I think we can still be considered equal in society even though men generally are the pursuers in the beginning of a relationship. It's a double standard, but not a bad one. If we pursued you first, it would appear we were "loose." When you pursue us, it appears you are "a man."

CC
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:48 am Post subject:

Men might still pay for dinner on the first date, but when you're in a real relationship a couple always has to find the balance of give and take, though this isn't always acheived, you can't seriously think a woman doesn't give anything in a relationship?Even in a traditional household where the husband works and pays the bills, the wife is often working just as hard raising the kids, shopping, cleaning, cooking, sewing and gardening. The husband wouldn't be able to have a family and yet be successful at work without his wife doing all of this so her role is equally important as his.Now in today's world most women work and many families choose not to have kids at all. As women far outnumber male university graduates, a lot of women make more than their husbands. Yes, these women might still get their first date dinner paid for, but when the couple moves in together, the one with the bigger bank account (often the woman) will be the one putting the down payment on the house, buying the car, furniture, vacations etc.But that's just talking about the financial situation, which doesn't really create a person's equality when we;'re talking about worth. Men need to see women as equals because they are as equally human and have equal rights for dignity, rights and respect. Would you say black men are worth less than white men because they generally have less money and property? Well if you did you're a rasist, but more people have learned to look at all people as equals without putting limits on it like who pays for one dinner.

KillingSpree
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:58 am Post subject:

I'm not convinced by your assumptions. Sure, it is true that if the men do all the asking, buying, dating, driving, etc etc etc... then there is imbalance.But is every relationship based on a man doing the asking and the woman passively accepting? Excuse the personal reference but I know plenty of women who are assertive enough in relationships to do as much asking as their men, and so forth.There are other things to consider. If the men do all the work and leave the women at home... what do they do? I highly doubt they watch reruns of Oprah forever. I'm fairly certain, in fact, that a lot of men assume their women will do the cooking, washing up, cleaning, laundry, ironing, child rearing... does any of that factor into your argument?I do not wish to attack you personally - I have no knowledge of your personal situation or your social environment. In fact, it is entirely possible that your local area has a culture where women are encouraged to be as passive and, dare I say it, weak, as possible.It could be an American cultural phenomenon - after all, America is considered here in Australia to be the source and centre of a majority of the West's social problems, from pornography and the drug culture through to the development of poor social skills in the younger generations - social skills, I should point out, that can be absolutely necessary for a woman to understand that she has the right and power to be assertive in her pursuit of a relationship. Women's equality can be a joke, most certainly - but where and when it is, I am not laughing. The worst effect of the development of women's rights is that it is too easily abused or misconstrued to mean things it should not. Men are often left feeling pushed aside to make room for women where such is not necessary; women are pushed to feel that they are a failure for enjoying those things that only a woman can experience. Nobody wins.I guess I've diverged a fair way from the issue at hand, which is: why do women want to be equal, yet expect men to pay?Well, there's no easy answer. Motivation will differ from woman to woman and man to man. There are too many factors that confuse the issue, from the custom of women being housewives and men being the breadwinners through to this:When a man asks a woman on a date, he typically pays. That is because the woman is usually unsure of her attraction to the man, but it is evident that the man is attracted to the woman (at least, enough to ask her out). To be blunt, the man pays the cost of the woman's time that she is spending finding out if the man is worth further time.But down the track, when people are in a relationship, money becomes a matter of source. If the man has more disposable income from his job than the woman (disposable being the money left over after that delegated for bills), then he should spend the lion's share of the money on dates. It's only fair. But, that works both ways. If women earnt more than men, they should pay the majority - they would have more to spare.Why isn't this the case? Because men are typically placed in the role of breadwinner, money earner.So maybe financial equality in relationships will only occur when men and women earn the same... or when men refuse to spend their money on a date unless the share is equitable.You can always ask.

666666z
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:59 am Post subject:

I've dated men who have gotten extremely upset, and offended when I offered to pay my way. Not all of them of course, but a lot of them. Why is this?

Lord Charles
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:08 am Post subject:

Not really a joke. Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? You can pay for someone's dinner without thinking them beneath you (which is really what you should be thinking if you are on a date with someone).Don't confuse equality under law with equal behaviour, thoughts, desires and physical attributes.

Liam
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:08 am Post subject:

'Womans equality', yes it's a joke, some women will always think they are better than other women and no one will ever bother to challenege it as a wide issue.Gender equality however is not a joke, it makes sense and is the way forward.As for who should pay for a date, depends on the individuals on the date. If one gets offended by the other for offereing to pay then they should move on, simple.

Swiss Miss
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:

Men and women are equal though not the same. As with every species in the animal world, it is up to the male of the species to seduce his intended. After all the end result of a successful relationship is marriage and children. Pregnancy, labor and delivery are not a walk in the park so women need to choose their partners carefully. By seeing who is going to treat them well, respect them and their needs and be a partner in the relationship, a woman will be able to best judge the father of her child and the partner in her life.As for economics, once a relationship has been established there is no reason for the partners not to treat each other equally. However because of financial realities, a man will usually outearn a woman.Finally it is very unpleasant for adult women to be called children when their "duties" in a relationship will often be to cook, clean and take care of their partner. I worked up to my delivery day. I know most successful women return to work within days of giving birth. Now that's macho!

Zoe L.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:14 am Post subject:

Definitely not.Women are getting more and more competent to men in various aspects, even in working places or academic. Men and women are two different substances that complement to each other and they both have different rules to play, even in a relationship.Each of them have to contribute something in a relationship. Paying for their meals can be a way of expressing your love towards your partner. I believe that women have their own ways in showing their love as well.There is no rules or regulations stated that " Men should wine and dine women ".But most of the time it's the pride-driven men who want to show their " gentlemen" characteristics in front of their date. You can go Dutch if you want.

H S
Yahoo User

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:19 am Post subject:

Frankly, yes.... As in "perpetual dream" is more like it..

sam
Yahoo User

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:39 am Post subject:

and yet all men don't do all the asking in relationships, all the paying for dinners, buy all the gifts, wining and dining etc. yawn

Scarf & Barf Splurge
Yahoo User

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:42 am Post subject:

sounds to me like u live in a red statemove to a lib area..you will probably see the changes u wish to see

Rio Madeira
Yahoo User

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:43 am Post subject:

North America, yes, as soon as enough women stand up to say that this is all a crock.

Dujuan1973
Yahoo User

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:47 am Post subject:

I think alot of men are whiners. You still expect the women do all or most of the cooking, cleaning, and childcare.

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