So.... Some Believe and I do TO... that Jesus was Not Born on Christmas....?
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BabyGirl K
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 Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| We Celebrate to worship his birth....Mathew 1:18-24 The Birth of Jesus Christ 18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel—which means, "God with us."24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.And this is why we give gifts Matthew 2:1-121After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him." 3When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. 5"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written: 6"'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8He sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."9After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. 12And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route. |
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jcurrieii
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Christ, was not born on the 25th day of December, or it's equivalent on one of the calendars prevalent at the time. NO ONE knows the day the person belived to have been the Christ-child was born.The celebration of Christ's Mass (aka, Christmas) in December was a move by one of the Popes in the back when the world was Europe and not much else. He decided that he wanted to co-opt a pagan ritual day that typically occured on the Solstice. He figured that having a holiday the same approximate time would make it easier to Convert the Heathens...worked too. ;)As for the reason to celebrate...Christians celebrate the birth of a fictionalised person imortalised in their scriptures on said arbritrary day. Non-Christians celebrate Christmas as a day of Family togetherness, or simply to sucker money out of the Westerners who are holidaying in their Country...in short, you put-up a tree, and lights because the rich person(s) coming over that period expect it! Non-Believing persons in the predominantly Christian countries celebrate simply because it is an observance, and it's a day off work!Even Athiests celebrate Christmas, but they call it "X-mas".  |
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GodShew
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| the conception of Jesus was likely at Christmasbirth of Jesus was likely 9 mos later, at SukkotYet "Jesus" became-->"Christ" became--->"us".Us do NOT law impute sin to anyone: 2Cor 5:19;For law imputed sin brings forth death: James 1:15His Grace --> Mercy ---> Peace with you all. Amen. |
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budleit2
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| First I celebrate Christ every day not one day a year. So I do not really treat Christmas any different then any other day.Next no one knows the real date so any day choosen is his birthday observed not the actual date. Chances are it was in late Spring to early summer due to the shepards were out with the sheep at night time when the angel visted them. In the winter shepards would not have been out at night time with the sheep way to cold. |
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molly
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| people must remember that Man set down the dates we celebrate religious holidays. also I think we have the Nativity story wrong. Even the two books in the Bible that describe the birth do not match. Why? Because they were written hundreds of years after the event took place. It was also MAN who decided what was to be included in the Bible and that means things were left out. Those of us who believe in God and Jesus (and I do ) have been taught all our lives that the Bible is THE word of God. I believe it is of historical significance even though there were so many authors and soooo many translations, but even some of us Christians find it hard to swallow that this is the definitive word of God. Most people dont even realize that the original words in ancient Aramic didnt necessarily mean THEN what they mean now. For example the words manger and Inn did not mean the same thing at the time of the Nativity. The "Inn" was the living quarters of a typical family that owned livestock. The families were often large and the living space( or whatever the word for inn in aramic) was small and cramped then it stands to reason that there would be no room in the inn if Joseph happened upon a family dwelling seeking shelter for his pregnant wife. Now then, the manger(again I dont know ancient Aramic) was the stable space below the inn where the family sheltered their livestock. So, having no room in the inn, Mary and Joseph were offered a spot in the manger.Hope this answered your question. Cant wait to see how many thumbs down I get. |
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N F
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Early on in the Christian church, Easter was the main holiday and the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. Somewhere around 400 A.D. the church decided to celebrate the birth of Jesus as a holiday. The Bible does not mention date for his birth.If you look at the Bible as a historical document, the birth of Christ was probably in the spring. This assumption is made because in Jesus' time, in his place of birth, winters were harsh and shepherds would not be out, tending a flock, in the middle of winter. When the church decided to celebrate the birth of Christ, Pope Julius I chose December 25 as the day it would be celebrated. The church chose this date in an effort to absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. This festival was celebrated by Romans in honor of Saturn. During the same time of the year, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome.Later, the date stuck because it coincided with many cultures' winter solstice festivals. This made the celebration of Christ's birth acceptable to many cultures as Christianity spread. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the holiday spread to England by the end of the sixth century.By holding Christmas at the same time as traditional winter solstice festivals, church leaders increased the chances that Christmas would be popularly embraced, but gave up the ability to dictate how it was celebrated.In Germany, pagans celebrated the festival of Oden at about the same time. German's contributed a great deal to the many Christmas "traditions" we have today, like the Christmas Tree. |
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Gastounet
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Well in fact dear, Jesus never existed you know....P.S. And... a very happy Wal Mart day to you too. |
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beatlefan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Jesus wasn't born on Christmas day. Nobody really has been able to pinpoint when he was born, but the shepherds were out in their fields according to the Bible, which would indicate a warmer month. I have heard guesses ranging from April to October, no one really knows for sure. The early church celebrated Christ-mass as a "movable feast". Individual congregations would set the date of the celebration when they felt it was appropriate. In later years the church set the day to coincide with Pagan celebrations. Some say because they wanted to convert Pagans, and set their holidays and customs to be more familiar to the people they wanted to convert, or maybe they just felt left out when others were celebrating at the time of the Winter Solstice, and wanted to find their own way to celebrate the season. To set a specific day of the year allowed them to all get together at one time, united for a day of worship. It gives Christians a chance to have one day agreed on when they can all take a day off for a celebration. At this time of year, the nights are long and cold, and people everywhere yearn for warmth and companionship. We have put away the harvest, and have more time available to spend with family, or in reflection of the past year. We set out to pass the long nights by lighting them up, enjoying each other, and making plans for the year to come. I'm not a Christian, I personally enjoy this time of year as a season of light, and hope that everyone else is fortunate enough to spend it with everything and everyone they need around them. May you have a blessed and meaningful celebration today...... |
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Conservative £mperor
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Jesus was born in the spring. Christmad day used to be a pegan holiday, but christians hijacked it and called it christmas.we rejoice and exchange gifts because we remember when salvation came unto the world. the gift of everlasting life. |
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Ruth
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| It is really strange that listening to the TV all morning. I never heard one word spoken about Jesus. About his kingdom by God or that one day he would rule the world.All the pictures and talk was about Santa clause. I thought it was interesting that yahoo.com calls him St. Nickolaus.In Revelation 2:5 the congregation in Ephesus had a false religion called the sect of Nickolaus. false religionAlso in Revelation 2:12 the congregation in Pergamum was commended for doing lots of things right. also in verse 15It says: "So you, also, have those holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nicolaus like wise. 16 therefore repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war with them with the long sword of my mouth." condeming it as false religion.This is a religion from the earliest times, featuring this name.A long time before Christ ever came to the earth.Yet in the bible God condems this religion, or the worship of this man with this name.Since it is a lie and Satan is the father of the lie and a great deceiver. Isn't this a way to get almost everyone in the world to lie to little children? Plus it is a way to magnify his name?Because there is more proof that Nickolaus is the name of Satan than to think it is Lucifer. Since that was the name of the ancient god's of Babylon. |
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