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Why is that Christians believe Christ is the Son of God or he is the God himself

 
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tripoli
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Why is that Christians believe Christ is the Son of God or he is the God himself Reply with quote

Why is that Christians believe Christ is the Son of God or he is the God himself , why not an ordinary creature like all human beings and the prophets human's .Relationship in my opinion with God is a direct relationship does not need to mediation or priest or any man of religion. there's surah in Quran name is Miriam :2] (This is) a recital of the Mercy of thy Lord to His servant Zachariah. 3] Behold! he cried to his Lord in secret, [4] Praying: "O my Lord! infirm indeed are my bones, and the hair of my head doth glisten with grey: but never am I unblest, O my Lord, in my prayer to Thee! [5] "Now I fear (what) my relatives (and colleagues) (will do) after me: but my wife is barren: so give me an heir as from Thyself, [6] "(One that) will (truly) represent me, and represent the posterity of Ya'qub; and make him, O my Lord! one with whom Thou art well pleased!"[7] (His prayer was answered): "O Zakariya We give thee good news of a son: his name shall be Yahya: on none by that name have We conferred distinction before."[8] He said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"[9] He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: I did indeed create thee before, when thou hadst been nothing!'"[16] Relate in the Book (the story of) Maryam, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. [17] She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. [18] She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."[19] He said: "Nay, I am only a Messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."[20] She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"[21] He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': it is matter (so) decreed."[22] So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place. [23] And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree: she cried (in her anguish) "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"[27] At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Maryam! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! 28] "O sister of Harun! thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"[29] But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"[30] He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; [31] "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live: [32] "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable33] "So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"[34] Such (was) 'Isa the son of Maryam: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. [35] It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. [36] Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a way that is straight. [37] But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a momentous Day!this a true make sense for me ,So without intolerance and an open mind can another idea to change my think?
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Scott B
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are quoting a source to Christians, that Christians hold as invalid. That's how you want to debate? No wonder your religion is looked at as extreme. Wrong is wrong. I don't believe in Christ, belief implies doubt. I know Him to exist. I doubt you are as sure about anything in the Quran.
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hottstuff364
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not sure if this will help...OKwell think of it as an egg.An egg is 1 thing.With 3 parts.the shell, the white stuff, and the yolkits still one egg!god is onegod is a trinitygod the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit
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Jeremy R
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We feel He is the Son of God because we have faith that the Holy Bible is true and is God's holy word and it says Christ is the Son of God.I agree that one should not have a religion but a relationship directly with God, however that is not attainable without accepting Christ. Sin sepereates us from God preventing us from having this one on one relationship with Him. The only way to obtain it is to accept His Son as personal Lord and Savior. That is why Christ died and was ressurected. He was and is the only sacrifice large enough to cover every sin every human made/makes.
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CDRKTC,YK?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your question is too bloody long!!
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Robert_D
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So let me get this straight. You are going to try prove falsities in my religion by quoting your holy book? Please tell me you see what is wrong with this picture.Anyone can quote anything from any book. It proves nothing. I don't quote my book to disprove Islam because it gets us no where.
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miriammcguire
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

because Jesus lives and is in my life today as a man or prophet he could not do that.
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Mike Matney
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do I believe that Jesus is God?I believe, because the Bible says so in many places. For example:John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.So, as you point out, this is different than what the Quran teaches. One or both must be incorrect. I personally believe that the Bible is correct. It has detailed and accurate prophesies that have been fulfilled as evidence among other things. Mike
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Barbra
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sure do waste a lot of your time about something that you deny is true.I wouldn't waste my time reading all that stuff. that you wrote. It's your choice to believe anything that you wish. You will learn one day that you were all wrong. There are people all over the world who deny God and twist his words around to come out the way they want them. Right is right; no matter how you cut it.
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Suzette R
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Christians know that Jesus is the son of the Living God, Jehovah. He is the only begotten son, created first by God, while Jehovah himself has always been and will always be. We know that the Bible does NOT support a 'trinity' and does NOT show that Jesus was God at any time. We know that Jesus, since he was created first, has had a very long time learning and observing his Father(in his pre-human life), that's why he can say that 'I and the Father are one.' Indeed, one in purpose, not one in the same.We also know where the 'triune' godhead began, ancient pagan worship in Babylon and Egypt. It crept into Christianity in the 4th century during the great apostasy of the church as foretold by Christ. This doctrine of man is so confusing even it's own don't know how to explain it, they call it a mystery, they talk about ice, eggs, plants...but to no avail. The theory is deeply flawed, and God dishonoring. Due to Adamic sin, we did need to be reconciled back to God. Jesus paid that ransom with his blood, becoming our repurchaser and he is the mediator(the only) between us and Jehovah. He will be such until the end of his 1000 year rule. When at the end he will hand over the Kingdom to his God and Father.1 Corr. 15:. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because the New Testament says He is (both Son of God, and far less often it also says He is God).Also some Old Testament prophecies indicate He is divine (Isaiah 9:6 and Daniel 7:13-14 and Psalm 110 according to Jesus interpretation, amongst others).Also He proved His claims by rising from the dead, and both providing a forgiveness which we christians receive and know we have received, and by providing the Holy Spirit to confirm it. We also get "born again" when we believe which means internal motivations change. This all happens in response to the extant message of the gospels and epistles. The Koran claims to be a correct version of God's message, but Allah doesn't give the Holy Spirit to muslims; which fact clearly implies to me that the Koran is wrong, since God would provide the Holy Spirit, the new creation and forgiveness if it was a true message from Himself.1 John 5:7-12 "In fact there are 3 witnesses [of the truth of the gospel message of salvation], the Spirit [i.e the Holy Spirit], the water [i.e the new birth] and the blood [i.e forgiveness through Christ], and these 3 are in agreement. We accept human testimony, but surely the testimony of God is stronger, and the testimony of God is the witness He has borne to His Son. He who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his own heart, but he who does not believe God makes Him out to be a liar by refusing to accept God's witness to His Son. This is the witness: God has given us eternal life [which is defined in John's gospel as being in relationship with God, and eternally so], and this life is found in the Son. He who possesses the Son possesses life; he who does not possess the Son of God does not possess life."
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